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resurrectionsongJuly 12, 2004Why Did Bush Knock Down the Towers?I'm guessing it was the oil. Posted by zombyboy at July 12, 2004 08:18 AM | TrackBackComments
Looks like they found a way to get noticed. Personally, I think setting fire to themselves would have been more entertaining and memorable. Posted by: McGehee at July 12, 2004 08:27 AMFor ch-e-ap OIL. I thought the same thing McGehee did. What an asshole. Posted by: Emma at July 12, 2004 12:06 PMErmmm, the rapper "Jackass," not McGehee. Just thought I'd make that clear. :) Posted by: Emma at July 12, 2004 12:07 PMHeheh. It might be fun to have a "Call McGehee Names" day, though... Posted by: zombyboy at July 12, 2004 12:43 PMPS- Shelli, I read the lyrics and, I have to admit, they are more inane than I would have imagined. What a completely idiotic song. Posted by: zombyboy at July 12, 2004 12:43 PMHmmm the things some "artists" do to attract attention...read his interview and he claims to have a message? well I got the message and it is "I have no talent so I will shock people to make money" sad commentary on the state of rap/hip hop..or whatever it is now. Posted by: Y2tazz at July 12, 2004 01:11 PMFunny, that's precisely the message I was getting, too... Posted by: zombyboy at July 12, 2004 01:30 PMLooks like Jadakiss is invoking the Michael Moore Effect: if you can't sell your product by dint of talent, sell them by dint of controversy. Posted by: AWG at July 12, 2004 02:05 PMDammit, if I knew there was a window of opportunity to call McGehee names without fear of retribution, I would've been by sooner. ;) Posted by: Jo at July 12, 2004 02:42 PMJust for the record, I am against McGehee setting himself on fire. However, if he does decide to set himself on fire, I hope that he hass the common courtesy to blog it and post some video! Posted by: Craig at July 12, 2004 03:04 PMPersonally, I think he should post a video of himself with a black hood over his head, threatening to burn himself up if we don't all accede to his demands. Posted by: bryan at July 12, 2004 05:24 PMWho said anything about "without fear of retribution"? TANSTAAFL. Or in this case, TANSTAAFCTCMN. Craig and Bryan, sadly we haven't even gotten around to owning a VHS camcorder, let alone a digital. And with these cats of ours, we could've made some serious money if we'd had a VHS. As for setting myself on fire, I only do that by accident. Posted by: McGehee at July 12, 2004 06:38 PMJadakiss - a waste of oxygen. Posted by: Jim at July 12, 2004 08:37 PMJada Kiss states facts! Bush is responsible for 9-11! He's also responsible for all of the soldiers in Iraq losing their lives over the nonsense his father started that he felt the need to bring back! Maybe the lyrics don't apply to you but the situations mentioned are situations Americans are ignoring, situations Bush should be addressing as the president that stole votes to win an election! Who could expect him to take the responsibility of a president and make AMERICA the better place!? Instead, he's wasting our tax dollars to rebuild Iraq! Iraq is not an AMERICAN problem nor priority. 9-11, this war, this song you're so fired up about because it reveals america, BUSH HAD THE ABILITY TO PREVENT if only he would've been more caught up in his people rather than THE BUSH LEGACY. Posted by: PoliticalJustice at July 14, 2004 04:42 PMSo, Bush had super powers that he failed to use to stop rabid, murderous terrorists from flying airplanes into the World Trade Center? See, we have no points of agreement to even begin having a conversation on this subject, and the statement that Bush is responsible for 9-11 is just so offensively stupid and wrong that I don't have the smallest desire to play nice with you. Maybe ALL CAPS will HELP get my MESSAGE across to you: President Bush WASN'T responsible for the terrorist attack. The TERRORISTS who have haunted our nation for decades ARE RESPONSIBLE for the murder of THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS. What you are suggesting isn't born of any rational thought; what you are suggesting is born of your own IRRATIONAL hatred of President Bush and your desire to blame him for all the ills of the WORLD. Go play somewhere else and take your rank conspiracy theories with you. Posted by: zombyboy at July 14, 2004 04:52 PMWhy do I think the date on the PoliticalJustice comment should be September 10, 2001? Posted by: Kathy K at July 14, 2004 04:53 PMTerrorist are still crossing into the United States. Why isn't the money for war being put into better security for us? Bush doesn't deserve the title president. Maybe he didn't physically knock down the towers but if you keep up with politics, Bush administration knew about this before it happened honey! Something could've been done to prevent 9-11. I don't hate Bush but I do feel as though he hasn't stood up as the president. Freedom of Speech is still alive, Jada Kiss as well as you, and myself have that right! I respect how you feel, and I don't criticize you. Everyone has the right to voice their opinions and be respected. As far as him having no talent, hip-hop may not be appealing to you, but it does require talent. There are just things far more important to me than throwing a fit over song lyrics. I apologize if you have nothing better to do. Posted by: PoliticalJustice at July 14, 2004 05:18 PMA- They didn't know what was going to happen, they didn't know how it was going to happen, and, if there were a way to have stopped the attacks beforehand, there has never been an American President who wouldn't have done everything in his power to save American lives. B- The war is, hopefully, over the long run going to result in more security for us. There will be no security while the same political systems in the Middle East are in place that allow terrorists to hatch their plots against the US. The war is aggressively trying to achieve change on a huge level--change that will result (again, hopefully) in a safer world. C- Freedom of Speech is well alive and well loved, I agree. And, yes, Jada Kiss has the right to say what he wants and so do you--and you are even welcome to do so here in this forum within some pretty loosely defined rules. D- I agree that hip hop does require talent, and since I haven't actually heard the song, I should probably not slam his abilities in that area. The lyrics, though, are fair game--and if you check out some of the other things going on within this site, you'd see that I spent far less time on this issue than I did numerous others. Frankly, I thought it was a little offensive and a whole lot funny--the throw away conspiracy theory contained in that one little line is so completely outside of the realm of what I believe to be correct that it's laughable. No need to apologize for how I spend my time, though; it's my time to spend. Posted by: zombyboy at July 14, 2004 05:34 PM"Everyone has the right to voice their opinions and be respected." You obviously don't respect the Prez. Not that you have to do so, I just want to point out that people clearly don't have a right to be respected. Or their opinions. Posted by: Walter at July 14, 2004 07:14 PMOnce again, the forces of ignorance try to steal a march.... -- "Freedom of Speech" does not mean that you can be free from criticism, ridicule or a thorough ignoring. It means that the government can not force you to say (or not say) things with which you disagree. Please try to remember this..... -- Please show me, in any reasonable publication or writing, where the "right to be respected" is stated or granted. There is no such right, period. If you spout off with inane, conspiracy-theory garbage that is completely unsupported by all findings-of-fact to date (such as "the president [sic] stole votes to win the election" or "Bush is responsible for 911!"), expect to receive the derision and disrespect you richly deserve. Posted by: Mark Atwood at July 15, 2004 05:43 AM***Please show me, in any reasonable publication or writing, where the "right to be respected" is stated or granted. There is no such right, period. If you spout off with inane, conspiracy-theory garbage that is completely unsupported by all findings-of-fact to date (such as "the president [sic] stole votes to win the election" or "Bush is responsible for 911!"), expect to receive the derision and disrespect you richly deserve.*** Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Bravo, Mark! Well said! some of you people are whacked (mostly rednecks). Bare people thought what jada said. u shouldn't critise what u dont understand plus jada is one of the best rappers, he has the freedom of speech and wants to reach people. plus he doesnt have to say that to sell records his other album kiss the game good bye had bare sales. whats that setting him self on fire business, damn bare hating. mans telling the truth white america is keeping the black culture down. study the subject more widely before you critise things you dont understand. Posted by: UIDIOTS at July 15, 2004 10:32 AMWay to sell your argument--not one single fact on display, not one moment of rational thought, and not one intelligent thing to say. Thanks. Posted by: zombyboy at July 15, 2004 10:37 AMI was basicaly talking about the people that were criticizin' jada for his views not the conspiracy, fool. but if you want that shit O wise One. (dont just reply with some lame comments if ur gonna comment read this properly then come back with a logical comment " im saying what happened on 9/11 is strange" with the freedom of speech.(Thats if we have any real freedom at all. so people can make up there own minds) Let's not forget who makes up the biggest conspiracy crowd. We know Jadakiss people are not the ones saying Elvis is alive, the govt controls the weather, Bigfoot is real, the Lochness monster is real, UFO's, Black helicopters, time machines...etc Jadakiss's people were right about this http://www.monitor.net/ Definitly read this link. Plus As most of you aren't terribly bright or curious, and that of course leaves someone who has studied the event like myself in the position of educating my hostile opposition. The "phone call from the bathroom" was supposedly made by Mark Bingham to his mother, and on it, in a recorded answering machine message, he left his full name before continuing with the message. "Hi Mom, this is Mark Bingham." Do you introduce yourself to your mother on her answering machine when you call her? Why was the hole in pentagon so small? Where are bodies? No bodies aside from staff were recovered in the Pentagon hit. Where is the luggage? No luggage was recoverd in the Pentagon hit. Not many 100+ person flight with no luggage... and what is the probability of not a SINGLE PIECE of luggage being ejected far enough to survive the supposed "incerating blast" they claim destroyed ALL EVIDENCE except one airplane engine of a size incompatible with a 757, and some wing fragments that are more appropriate in size for a private jet or military jet than a commercial airliner? The transponder would have alerted air controllers immediately if a plane was off course. They all did. They claim they "missed it" initially. This is bullfaeces. Planes, small ones, have recieved 'escorts' for more minor deviations than they "overlooked" until a supposed PHONE CALL alerted them to what their instruments in the airtower were already telling them. This is the Todd Beamer, "Let's roll" phone call. His wife supposedly called in the situation after that. Bloody likely... THAT'S THE FIRST THEY HEARD OF IT? Prior experince gives you the favorite method of middle-eastern terrorists: Highjacking aeroplanes, coupled with a known target of theirs, the World Trade Center Towers. We must have had some PRETTY STUPID people in "intelligence" if the two most visible things terrorists have ever done; in highjacking, and the other being the '93 bombing, were never put two and two together by our guys. Another thing is this: The Pennsylvainia field that Flight 93 crashed in was not the exclusive area debris were found in. Debris were trailing through the air, as reported by witnesses, as well as "the plane appearing to be on fire" by several witnesses who later changed their stories... And whether or not there was a fire, or debris in the air... there was a trail of plane parts and debris for over a mile leading up to the field the plane "crashed" in (supposedly) due to the "heroic efforts of passengers." That plane was shot down. What else gives you that mile+ trail of debris? The plane would have HAD to have started breaking up IN THE AIR for that to have occured. This is not Moore's work, by the way. He only covered about 1/3 of what I have, and I did so long before I saw that film. He also drew the incorrect conclusion from it, and it had annoying themes and overtones of class warfarism and rasicm that were largely unfounded. He is a poor documentarian, but he, if only out of spite, is the only one who even gave a shot uncovering the weirdness associated with this whole series of events and the players involved. Important information is at this website, detailing what went on, in all probability, at the Pentagon: http://www.geocities.com/ http://www.mdw.army.mil/ http://www.wtc7.net/ You need only open your eyes, and you too will see it is such that before you are educated to something; all truth is a conspiracy amongst those who are the first to behold it. plus You've not seen the evidence for the case that's been made that something WAS unusal, beyond the obvious regarding many aspects of September the Eleventh. The WTC changed ownership 3 months prior, to a Jewish man. 99 year lease, he was responsible for maintaining, and also if necessary building or rebuilding the property by terms of the agreement. Odigo Instant Messenging employees were warned not to come to work in WTC building on 9/11. It is an Israeli-owned company. The same company the covered Oklahoma City's clean-up also covered the clean-up in WTC; and their primary function, as a company, is not clean-up... It's demolition. The WTC 7 building clearly came down at a 90-degree angle with no possible reason it should have -- it was two blocks away with little visible damage. Nothing possibly could have ruined the internal support without leaving some trace of passage through the roof or walls; nothing was evidenced as such. http://911research.wtc7.net/ I did mention that, right? All the WTC steel went, in under 6 months, to Japanese scrap steel-purchasers. The "think tank" of which Wolfowitz, Cheny, and others are members, The Project for a New American Century detailed the necessity of a "Pearl-Harbor like event" to "galvanize the support of the public to ensure continued American supremacy..." in 1998-9. Most of the members are part of the Bush cabinet or administration. The precedures for Interception were not followed on 9/11 as had they been for numerous other more frivilous, undangerous air-potential threats. These procedures, as they stood, required no intervention from admirality. Base commanders would initiate intercepts. On September 11th, for some reason, jets were disallowed launch because the Joint Chiefs supposedly had to be consulted. They, everyone of them, were in a meeting with Dick Cheny with express orders not to be interrupted. Bush was in Florida, as you are all familiar, with the story about the goat. I can think of no more plausible absolution than to hide publicly amongst elementary school children while something hideous you aware is going to happen, happens. The last thing you'd want to seem is "connected" or "involved" as though you were able to determine the seriousness of such events quickly, or as though you already "had people working on it..." It would imply competence... The transponders were never disabled. They knew they were highjacked. They reported them highjacked for well over 30 minutes. They could have and did track them right up until the planes weren't there to track. There are numerous bases all around the NYC - DC area. The density is tremendous, and we had birds since the '50s now, on a moment's notice supposed to be able to launch. Something, at the least, was botched. At the most, an intentional conspiracy in order to rile the public in support of War for political and economic gain. It's not implausible, and certainly not impossible. Even the Iraq War, already, has proven itself a massive lie and cover-up. But you probably aren't interested in my evidence..., you, like some Presidents I know, decide first, and listen to evidence as it may suit your purposes. And in that case, I can only say you deserve the same fate... (not saying you have to believe just make up ur own minds) Kind of a "Unabomber-esque" post. I am surprised you can get the internet in your tarpaper shack. Does your tin-foil hat cause a lot of interference? Cutting to the chase, the jew-bankers did it, right? Posted by: Rob Smith at July 15, 2004 01:07 PMThe great thing about a nice conspiracy theory is that no one can dissuade you from believing what you believe. Knowing that, I'm not even going to try. Thanks for the entertainment, though. It's nice to have a good mid-day giggle. Posted by: zombyboy at July 15, 2004 02:05 PMThere u go again, imature ones. I didn't say i believed it and i didn't say i didn't. There's strange evidence and they way they went about things, (looked liked they were hiding things). Don't read too much into things. What ALL rappers do is their own creative expressions. I am not a fan of rap and I don't necessarily agree with all of them (rappers) but I happen to like Jadakiss' song Why. It brings to light a lot that people want left in the dark. He never said that Bush knocked down the towers, as with poetry, it's a metaphor. What he did say is that Bush should have done more to prevent this terrorist act that he knew was in the making for a long time. True he may not have known EXACTLY what was going to happen but he could have done more with the information that he had than just file it. That's my humble opinion. Posted by: OHWELL at July 17, 2004 08:34 AMThats exactly my point. Why cry over spilled milk. There are a lot of things to be questioned. I still can't understand why we're fighting so hard for another country and we have huge issues here that need to be dealt with. I am a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and it bothers me that most of the homeless around are veterans of this and other wars. Let's discuss that. We're spending millions on a war and people here are starving. It boggles my mind. I try to look at the broad scope of things and not be small minded. So I am always open for intelligent discussions. Lets us not point fingers and name call. There are a lot of things that need to be done all around the world but why not try to resolve our own problems before we attack soemone elses? Posted by: OHWELL at July 17, 2004 10:05 AMSo, IDIOT, people who have your biases are unbiased and people who don't are immature? Please. And, yes, he did say that Bush knocked the towers down. Metaphor or not, that's what was actually, you know, said. Next, starvation in the US is remarkably uncommon. Which is why so many people on welfare and with foodstamps are obese. Next, show me the stats that show that the majority of the homeless are former vets. That's BS. Next, we had moral obligations both to the people of Iraq (that we left hanging at the end of the Gulf War, after we encouraged them to rise up against Hussein and then abandoned them) and we have obligations to our own security to take the war to the enemy that has declared themselves against us. Sitting back and letting them bomb another USS Cole or one of our embassies isn't a particularly bright idea, is it? OHWELL, if you don't think this is "our problem", then you somehow failed to notice that terrorists have been making attacks against the US (on and off our soil) for decades. The number of lives lost to their bombs, their knives, and their guns sure as hell makes it our problem. When you guys have some better ideas, and can talk past unsubstantiated rumors and bullshit, you'll be welcome here. If you continue this line, though, you're wasting my time, my space, and my bandwidth. Posted by: zombyboy at July 18, 2004 02:50 PMwhat the hell r u chattin' 'bout? people are immature for saying things horrible things just because they don’t like what he's saying so he should set himself on fire what’s that about? that’s immature!. your getting ahead of ur self and trying to be to smart. so what’s idiot about it? (where going of subject here but) why did we go into the gulf war? (research what many people think? 60% u'll come up with the word oil!) bush is like a terrorist he has many prisons outside the laws of his country. that we know about and some we don’t. Lot’s of people being tortured some of which are innocent but are being held without charge. then again 50% of country’s in the UN are involved in torture, the mistreating of people? what’s happening with them? what if Africa had oil do you think America would rush in and try and help with the crisis of aids? anyway points of view are exactly points of view Thanks, I needed someone to laugh at today. I appreciate the assist. Posted by: zombyboy at July 19, 2004 11:27 AMZomby you are so full of shit you know got damn well without using the brain power you were given that bush is short for bushit..not only is there something bizarre about the events ,the way they were handled, and the way they were reported...but anyone with common sense would say damn it seems like bush was behind this... Crikey, 3/4 of this comment thread is like a course in "how not to write like an educated human being." Of course, ur welcome to yor own opine.* * Was I convincing? Fascinating, but I actually find it difficult to write like a grammatically-impaired dipshit. How do those others make it look so easy? Posted by: andy at July 19, 2004 05:36 PMApparently people who express themselves in an actual written language are now the stupid ones, and those who make up their own spelling and syntax as they go are the enlightened ones. Wel eye ges I wantu ft inn wid thum doan eye? Posted by: McGehee at July 19, 2004 09:00 PMPeople need to not only look at the Bush statement which is true in theory Bush is bringing this country down and we all know it. He is just not affecting white america with job reduction but if he serves another term they will feel it to. jadakiss also broutght up a good point why after all the movies Denzel washington and Halle Berry have done.WHY do they get awards for playing roles of Villians and whores for Billy Bob they get recognized. WHY WHY Posted by: J hova at July 19, 2004 09:29 PMUmmm, because it takes more talent for a good person to play a bad person? Just a thought. Posted by: McGehee at July 20, 2004 10:46 AMYeah right, Just like there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Posted by: Jhova at July 20, 2004 10:59 AMYeah right, Just like there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Posted by: Jhova at July 20, 2004 11:01 AMUmmm, there are. So, thanks for bolstering my point. ;-) Posted by: Cheney W. Halliburton & the Neo Conga Ball at July 20, 2004 01:04 PMSO ITS AGREED BY MANY THAT BUSH IS BRINGING THIS COUNTRY DOWN , TELL ME AGAIN WHY ANYONE WOULD VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN? BUSH DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE PRESIDENT WHEN THIS TERRORIST ATTACK , AND WAR OCCURRED, I KNOW YOU DON'T THINK THAT, DO YOU ZOMBY? DO YOU? NO REALLY ITS JUST HARD TO THINK YOU BELIEVE THAT. AND CONSPIRACY THEORY? Ian, I would usually delete any comment in which a person jovially calls me "asshole." In this case, though, I think your demented ranting does more than enough damage to your argument that I'll just go ahead and leave it up. Thanks. Posted by: zombyboy at July 20, 2004 02:12 PMNo, even without the Adam Clymer comparison, Ian's argument never actually manages to do more than lie twitching on the operating table. I don't care how many lightning strikes he harnesses to make it come to life, that sucker just ain't gonna run amok and terrify no villagers. Posted by: Cheney W. Halliburton & the Neo Conga Ball at July 21, 2004 07:32 AMOk, Everyone take a step back Clear your minds of the propaganda fed to you by whoever you call your peers. We live in a strange time where paranoia and confusion reign with a ton of people just jumping and screaming they have the answers. So many of us are too quick to accept what they hear or see. Michael Moore.. Rush... Hannity... Kerry.. Clintons.. Kennedy.. Please stop being sheep... Use your own heads. We only know we hear and see on TV / Radio / Newspapers. They all have agendas. They have to keep you listening and watching. They feed off your emotions. Fear mostly. You cant call fact what you yourself have not investigated yourself. You can believe whatever you want and twist what you have been told by the propagandists and call it fact.. doesn't make it fact.. It Makes you sheep. Stop being Democrat. Stop being Republican. BE YOURSELF. Doubt and Question EVERYTHING. Deep inside every one of you is something you should hold very dear. Its called common sense. Use reason. Use deduction. As an individual you are all brilliant. Join in with the crowds and you are just another sheep. The above is the only part of my post that matters.. The following is what I can deduct using my own common sense.. I'm not asking you make it your own. Bush caused or didn't try to stop 9/11? 9/11 was not stoppable. Radical Islam has something against us from what I can see and nothing we do or don't do will change their minds. Can we stop future attacks? Thousands of illegal immigrants come into America undetected. A shoulder held surface to air missile outside any US airport.. A car jack used to spread train tracks on any part of the thousands of miles of tracks.. You get the point I'm sure.. The only way to deter future attacks is hit them where they live. To not do so is an open invitation to come back and do more damage. When you strike a bee hive and run away, do the bees not follow you and kick your ass? Do you not think twice again before striking a bee hive? ------ On a side note.. Everyone seems concerned that France, Germany and other countries don't like the United States and we look bad to them. In high school there was this very popular girl. She was very sweet, generous, rich and beautiful. You are all very sweet, generous, rich and beautiful people yourselves.. Don't let anyone else tell you that you are not or don't deserve to be. Man Sedryn. You are so right. Thanks for the reality check. We need more people like you. Posted by: ZDog at July 28, 2004 05:42 AMCool cool Posted by: escort at July 28, 2004 11:49 PMsedryn is partially right, i agree with him saying to disregard propaganda and all of that but a few things were wrong look at what the CIA has been doing since it started, the coup in chile where we helped despose of democratically elected salvador allende is a prime example but there are many others, the US supports corrupt dictatorships and keeps third world countries poor for profit, examples of dictators are suharto in indonesia, saddam in the 80's, zia al haq in pakistan and more we are doing the same thing in iraq now, but without a dictator look at the Bremer orders which receive little coverage in the media: Order #40 turns the banking sector from a state-run to a market-driven system overnight by allowing foreign banks to enter the Iraqi market and to purchase up to 50% of Iraqi banks. Order #49 drops the tax rate on corporations from a high of 40% to a flat rate of 15%. The income tax rate is also capped at 15%. Order #12 enacted on June 7, 2003 and renewed on February 24, 2004, suspends “all tariffs, customs duties, import taxes, licensing fees and similar surcharges for goods entering or leaving Iraq, and all other trade restrictions that may apply to such goods.” This led to an immediate and dramatic inflow of cheap consumer products, which has essentially wiped out all local providers of the same products. This could have significant long-term implications for domestic production as well. Order #17 grants foreign contractors, including private security firms, full immunity from Iraq ’s laws. Even if they do injure a third party by killing someone or causing environmental damage such as dumping toxic chemicals or poisoning drinking water, the injured third party can not turn to the Iraqi legal system, rather, the charges must be brought to U.S. courts under U.S. laws. Order #77 established the Board of Supreme Audit and named its president and his two deputies. The Board oversees inspectors in every Ministry with wide-ranging authority to review government contracts, audit classified programs, and prescribe regulations and procedures. Order #57 created and appointed an inspector within every Iraqi Ministry with five-year terms who can perform audits, write policies, and have full access to all offices, materials, and employees of the Ministries. Then there are the approximately 200 mostly U.S. and other international advisers who will remain embedded as consultants in every Iraqi Ministry well after the official occupation has ended. Clearly, the Bremer Orders fundamentally altered Iraq’s existing laws. For this reason, the Bremer Orders are also illegal. Transformation of an occupied country’s laws violates the Hague regulations of 1907 (the companion to the 1949 Geneva conventions, both ratified by the United States), and the U.S. Army’s Law of Land Warfare. Indeed, in a leaked memo, British attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, warned Tony Blair that “the imposition of major structural economic reforms would not be authorized by international law.” now lets look at the dictator we support in saudi arabia. Saudi Arabia is the holiest country to Islam, and it is also the worlds largest exporter of oil. Bin Laden began most of his hostility towards the US after Saudi Arabia allowed US troops to be stationed there. The Koran strictly forbids non-Muslim troops from being allowed to be in Saudi Arabia. Prince Turki, the Saudi intelligence chief said Saudi Arabia allowing US troops to be stationed was what started Bin Ladens war with America saying: "He changed from a calm, peacefull, and gentle man interested in helping Muslims into a person who believed he would be able to amass and command an army." Saudi Arabia isn't the only reason for anti-US terrorism. Israel, Chechnya, East Timor and plenty of other countries are good examples and I suggest you check them out. Long story short, economic imperialism is the root of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. Posted by: hyaber at August 9, 2004 11:17 PMFrom the song "And why them dudes ain't ridin' if they're part of your set "Why they sellin' niggaz CD's for under a dime" "Why is rattin' at an all time high" "Why they kill Tupac n' Chris" "Why niggaz can't get no jobs "Why I stay the hottest shit but we sellin' the least" "Why Halle have to let a white man pop her to get a Oscar
"Why they ain't give us a cure for aids" "Why my diesel have fiends in the spot on the floor for days" "Why ain't you a thug by choice? If any of you are going to stand up for this paragon of righteousness, do your homework first. Because he is not who you want to represent you. I'll hold his other lyrics, which are even more dispicable, against you. [ed--I considered removing this entire comment completely, but I decided that would be somewhat dishonest. I don't agree with the racism in the comments, I don't agree with the openly hostile attitude towards African-Americans, and I don't like the tone. In fact, this comment violates the unwritten comment standards that I've always tried to hold the site to. Fighting ignorant fools like this rapper with ignorant racism isn't an answer to anyone's problems. I apologize for the contents of this comment and I hope that it won't encourage other comments of this nature.] Posted by: check the lyrics at August 26, 2004 10:12 PMI edited the above comment. Please check out the new comments policy on the front page of the site. Posted by: zombyboy at August 27, 2004 10:31 AMEdited again. I missed one. Posted by: zombyboy at August 27, 2004 10:50 AMLet me make it clear. By no means is this an attack on African Americans, who I think by nature are as equal as anyone else, including myself. This is an attack on a subset of that culture, the so-called hip-hop culture, which unfortunately is the predominant expression of it, particularly for african americans under the age of 30. This also happens to be the most visible and vocal group of that culture. The ones you see everyday, at school, at work, on the streets and in the news. Don't try to butterress this, I have attempted to fight this fact myself, and found it to be futile. This is the reality, and idealism won't change it. If you doubt me, I am prepared with the facts. Do not attempt to relativise the situation by saying this is the view of a non-black. I am also not caucasian. More importantly, several African american writers, actors, socialists have themselves made the same commentary, and again I am prepared with the facts.
Now thats "keepin it real". I understand that this is a touchy subject for the editors as it duels with insecurities of how they should feel. I understand that they want to make it clear that they are not racists and hence will disassociate themselves from any commentary that would hint at that.But what i have done is in my own way respond to the question,"where is the outrage?"
I welcome discussion, but I ask you to please not dismiss the facts with simple disgust and show a well supported argument. Posted by: check the lyrics at August 27, 2004 03:28 PMWho here can answer every question that he asks? Posted by: abstract sagacity at August 30, 2004 05:27 AMI was once a believer in our great country and our great leader. You could probably imagine the reason why. Yes, I am just going to come out and say it. I do blame Bush for the towers. And you can knock me and criticize me all you want. I don't care what you think. You are just an ignorant idiot with his head up his ass. You are not allowed to criticize each candidate without a look from both sides, and I have seen both sides. We all know all presidents lie, but I have never seen them lie to safe their ass to this extent. During their time in office presidents are not always going to tell the American People the truth, but then that's why they say never trust a politician. Presidents in the past may have lied, but never to where his country can turn their backs on them and start controversy. It has gotten to the point where American Soldiers have said that they would rather go to jail for dishonorable discharge then back to war to fight for Bush's beliefs. Now does that make them ignorant as well. They went out and fought for you, they lost people they loved and cared for. What do you have to say about that? Does that make any sense to you. How are you going to say they have the same hate for Bush when they signed their lives to make sure you and all your ignorant comments can be made, is that fair? I don't hate Bush because he does have alot of qualities that make a great leader. But as you and I both know, what runs a country, money or the opinions that we voice? You tell me. Posted by: formerbeliver at August 31, 2004 10:23 AMGo Jada, go Jada... It's a hot song whether you agree with the lyrics or not... Posted by: layla at September 3, 2004 03:56 AMhttp://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/xox2.jpg ^^Copy and paste that and ask...Is this possible? BUSH DID KNOCK DOWN THE TOWERS, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING IN FACT BUSH KNEW THE FAMILY OF THE SADDAM WHO CRASHED INTO THE TOWERS, THIS IS NO JOKE GO LOOK ON THE INTERNET FOR YOURSELF, BUSH HAD EVERY THING TO DO WITH IT, HE CUSED IT, HE KNEW IT, AND HE HELP MADE THIS COUNTRY BAD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO THAT'S WHY AM NOT VOTING FOR NEITHER BUSH OR KERRY BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH COUSINS, YES IT IS TRUE LOOK ON THE INTERNET BUSH AND KERRY ARE ACTUALLY C-O-U-S-I-N-S THEY COME FROM THE SAME B-L-O-O-D-L-I-N-E, NO LIES HERE ALL TRUE READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW, AND ABOUT JADAKISS WHY? SONG BELIEVE THIS INFORMATION IS ALL TRUE!!!!!!!! Posted by: TWIN at September 7, 2004 06:54 PMThis message is directed to all of the people that are hatin' on Jada Kiss!! If you actually listen to the song..........there are a lot of other things he says other than Bush knocking down the towers. Know what your talking about before you knock it!!! For those of you that are clueless as to what that means......your just hopeless and there is no need for a definition!! Posted by: Michelle at September 10, 2004 11:38 AMI think that Jadakiss is doing what he thinks is rite. Alot of people let others keep them quiet, but not him. Theres nothing wrong with that. Posted by: Christy at September 14, 2004 11:30 AMI agree what has been said by UIDIOTS, some views of what sedryn and hyaber are well presented and some not... The war on Iraq was illegal, and is still illegal. One more question? how many innocent people are dying a day in Iraq by bush's bombardments??? women, children. even the troops I respect them 100% but most are dying for no reason.(why?) This discussion thread was supposed to be about talent less artists relying on hyperbole and artificial controversy to generate capital, correct? I have to agree that Jadakiss and many others will say or do anything for shock value. These marketing practices have long ago turned me off, but one has to admit the marketing ploy must work. I’m positive works by Manson, Moore, heck, Madonna (during her ‘Erotica’ phase), aren’t genuinely pleasing to the greater majority of us. I’m of the opinion that brainwashing in marketing of talent less hacks is the real conspiracy people should be in arms about. god bless the people who have the balls to say what they belive. nomatter what they belive. if jada is right or wrong it doesnt matter all that matters is at the end of the day no one kills anyone because that man or woman though bush was the one responsible for 9/11 Post a comment
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