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Thanks Z. The guy responded too. Can you say Communist?

Ill be posting my response later on today.

Posted by: Val Prieto at July 6, 2004 01:23 PM

Let me know when it's up--I'll be sure to update appropriately.

Posted by: zombyboy at July 6, 2004 01:34 PM

In spite of crippling economic sanctions placed against Cuba for close to 50 years, he has kept the country united and is one of the revered revolutionary figures in existence. Z, do you call the Baptista regeme freedom of pre 1959 freedom? Ive been to Cuba, and let me tell you, Castro is a virtual living legend. Who are you to tell them what freedom is? Viva Castro.

Posted by: GuerrillaRadio at July 6, 2004 01:42 PM

A- In spite of decades of massive monetary gifts from the Soviets, Cuba never managed to make it beyond being a crippled third-world country. Those crippling economic sanctions had little to do with the issue since other nations happily ignore those sanctions.

B- I didn't say anything about the previous regime, did I?

C- So, you've seen the state-sponsored love-fest for Castro and think that it somehow translates into universal love for the dictator? That, of course, explains why so many people risk life and limb to leave, why librarians end up in Cuban prisons, why gay Cubans are treated so remarkably well, and why Castro has to maintain such a stranglehold on anyone travelling outside of the country.

Viva Castro? Sure, hurrah for dictators! Who am I to tell them what freedom is? I'm the guy who lives in the country that so many of them want to escape to--I'd say that might give me a pretty good view on the subject, too.

"One of the most revered revolutionary figures in existence." Here's a news flash: the revolution failed. The only place it's really still chugging along is in Cuba, and communism is a failed ideology there as well.

Posted by: zombyboy at July 6, 2004 02:02 PM

Guerilla Radio,

Are you for real man? Seriously, dont you see how incredibly dumb your comments make you sound? Just because you've spent a few days in Cuba doesnt make you an expert in Cuba and Castro.

Perfect response there Zomby.

Posted by: Val Prieto at July 6, 2004 02:16 PM

I didnt expect a pat on the back really. But yeah, its fine. Firstly Val, what makes YOU an expert on Cuba? Ive gotta hear this. Do you realise how hypocritical, not to mention condescending you sound? Capitalism is just as intolerant to Socialism as Socialism is to Capitalism.

''I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.''

- Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, about Chile prior to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of socialist President Salvadore Allende in 1973

Freedom? Yeah right. Get a grip.

''In spite of decades of massive monetary gifts from the Soviets, Cuba never managed to make it beyond being a crippled third-world country.''

Firstly, the USSR provided Cuba with only military assistance, due to fears of an US invasion at any time. After the abysmal failure that was the Bay of Pigs, Cuba had a right to be suspiscious. They provided little Economic assistance.

''I didn't say anything about the previous regime, did I? ''

Maybe you should take it into account.

''So, you've seen the state-sponsored love-fest for Castro and think that it somehow translates into universal love for the dictator?''

Ive spoke to everyday Cubans, have you? As a British citizen that lived in the states for 10 years, the country was awfully open to me. I happily discussed politics. Do you think there is some kind of gestapo or something?

''Viva Castro? Sure, hurrah for dictators!''

Because the U.S has never supported dictators in the past? Oh please.

''I'm the guy who lives in the country that so many of them want to escape to''

Yes, and they want to escape for ECONOMIC reasons. Kind of like Mexicans. The Western world STILL holds this iron curtain Cuba that restricts trade, even though the country is no threat whatsoever.

'' "One of the most revered revolutionary figures in existence." Here's a news flash: the revolution failed.''

I wasnt talking about the worldwide Communist revolution Marx predicted. Im not even a Communist....truth is that true Communism has never existed, only socialism. I am saying Castro is one of most revered revolutionary figures of the past several centuries. I respect the man like i would respect Tom Paine, Paul Revere, Che Guevara, Cesar Chavez, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Winston Churchill.....as a revolutionary and a man who bought change.

Posted by: GuerrillaRadio at July 6, 2004 03:21 PM

I didnt expect a pat on the back really. But yeah, its fine. Firstly Val, what makes YOU an expert on Cuba? Ive gotta hear this. Do you realise how hypocritical, not to mention condescending you sound? Capitalism is just as intolerant to Socialism as Socialism is to Capitalism.

Im Cuban. Are you? If not, STFU about Cuba asswipe. Obviosuly, the teacher I was emailing with was a socialsit and a capitalist. Much like Fidel is now wouldnt you say?

''In spite of decades of massive monetary gifts from the Soviets, Cuba never managed to make it beyond being a crippled third-world country.''

Firstly, the USSR provided Cuba with only military assistance, due to fears of an US invasion at any time. After the abysmal failure that was the Bay of Pigs, Cuba had a right to be suspiscious. They provided little Economic assistance.

THe Socviets provied everything in Cuba. From subsidies to oil to agricultural equipment to food etc.. The whole shebang. Look it up.

''I didn't say anything about the previous regime, did I? ''

Maybe you should take it into account.

Just because Batista's regime was evil and corrupt, doesnt make it ok for Castro's regime to be evil, corrupt and repressive. PUleeze man, the Batista argument is old hat.

''So, you've seen the state-sponsored love-fest for Castro and think that it somehow translates into universal love for the dictator?''

Ive spoke to everyday Cubans, have you? As a British citizen that lived in the states for 10 years, the country was awfully open to me. I happily discussed politics. Do you think there is some kind of gestapo or something?

Not gestapo. El Comite de la Defensa de la Revolucion - CDR, to name just one. Look it up.

''I'm the guy who lives in the country that so many of them want to escape to''

Yes, and they want to escape for ECONOMIC reasons. Kind of like Mexicans. The Western world STILL holds this iron curtain Cuba that restricts trade, even though the country is no threat whatsoever.

Its not a question of being a threat, its a question of white fat European toruists raping her people while the government promotes it.

'' "One of the most revered revolutionary figures in existence." Here's a news flash: the revolution failed.''

I wasnt talking about the worldwide Communist revolution Marx predicted. Im not even a Communist....truth is that true Communism has never existed, only socialism. I am saying Castro is one of most revered revolutionary figures of the past several centuries. I respect the man like i would respect Tom Paine, Paul Revere, Che Guevara, Cesar Chavez, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Winston Churchill.....as a revolutionary and a man who bought change.

Revere, Payne, Churchill and MLK are spinning in their graves at this. You do them a great disservice by naming them alongside the others.

Seriously, if you are going to laud Castro and his regime, dont do it in front of a Cuban who knows freedom.

Posted by: Val Prieto at July 6, 2004 04:16 PM

Holy sh**.... I knew that was coming. Whew, GR, you need to check the links before you go asking a Cuban what makes him an expert on Cuba. It was all in the message. Just follow the links. I know that you hate to, but if you're gonna post, just do it.
I'm sorry that people don't educate themselves on something before "stirring the pot." Especially something that is so close to someone's heart as Cuba is to Val's.
-Super

Posted by: Superhero at July 6, 2004 04:26 PM

Im sorry for my ignorance. I hold my imaginary hat up, and take a bow at my own stupidity. i only read your response but skipped over your background, and who you were. You did a good return post, ive only got a real quarrel with the 1 section....

''Its not a question of being a threat, its a question of white fat European toruists raping her people while the government promotes it.''

Look man. I went to Cuba to find out for MYSELF. Im not White, or fat. I had the opportunity to go to Cuba for 3 weeks, and so i took it immediatly. As a history student i couldnt pass up an opportunity to visit a country shrouded in argument and controversy.

Posted by: GuerrillaRadio at July 6, 2004 04:50 PM

July 06, 2004

Despite Castro